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Post by Harris (Braves) on Aug 18, 2011 17:47:24 GMT -5
The way the salary cap tiers are structured right now is completely ridiculous and unfair. There is no advantage whatsoever to the lower and middle tier teams, since they have a lower cap, and have the same amount of Franchise Tags.
I have a feeling the Upper Tier teams are going to disagree with this, but I think this needs to be changed starting next season.
I mean most of the $160M tier franchises don't even spend $100M in real life, much less $130.
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Post by Harris (Braves) on Aug 18, 2011 17:53:50 GMT -5
This tier system has clearly caused inflation... like Cliff Lee going for 2 years, $70M AAS in the beginning of the year, and guys carelessly throwing money around... and I think something needs to be done about it. Today I posted 5 minor league free agents, all of whom have shown something this year, but only maybe 1 of them is worth more than the $1M AAS that I offered. The Angels, who have no business having a $160M cap outbid them like it was nothing... even though a couple of the players aren't even in A ball yet!
Something needs to be done...
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Post by darren on Aug 18, 2011 18:36:03 GMT -5
Maybe your right, but how do we change it now? Especially by next year! I've set my team up to be 160 Million salary cap team as others with lower cap have set their team up to be that way by getting low pay players and awesome MiLB squad. The league is what it is not sure it can be changed now especially in one year. IMO
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Post by Harris (Braves) on Aug 18, 2011 18:39:57 GMT -5
You will have plenty of time to get under by next season. It is definitely possible. In PB's league, where I am the Yankees, I went from being in the $160M tier, to the $130M tier.
If that is not possible, then I think its possible to take away the upper tiers Franchise Tags or at least 1 of them by the offseason after the 2012 season.
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Post by darren on Aug 18, 2011 18:45:03 GMT -5
taking 1 franchise tag I'm ok with. No problem there. Taking both seems a bit extreme to me but whatever league decides.
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Post by Victor on Aug 18, 2011 19:14:47 GMT -5
I believe Brian has brought this up already, about making just one universal salary cap. He said to slowly bring down the teams that are in the upper caps down in a couple of years. Some starting this offseason and make everyone equal by start of 2013. A lot of these tops will be discussed in the coming months. I think 110 is a good number and will help keep salaries inline, but there will be always that one person that will bid 50M with a low cap to get that one player ie. Padres bid 50M on Crawford I believe.
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Post by Harris (Braves) on Aug 18, 2011 19:16:01 GMT -5
I believe I have proposed this before, but if it is determined to be too difficult to reduce the salary cap of the upper tier, I believe the tiers should get the same number of franchise tags as their tier number.
For example the 1st tier would get 1 Franchise Tag, 2nd tier would get 2 franchise tags, and 3rd tier would get 3.
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Post by shully23 on Aug 18, 2011 19:52:03 GMT -5
I think we should end up with a $130M salary cap
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Post by ahwood23 on Aug 18, 2011 21:42:27 GMT -5
I would definitely be in favor of equalizing the cap!
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Post by metsgl on Aug 18, 2011 23:23:40 GMT -5
The cap shouldn't be equal. The tags should be different. I agree with Harris on how the tags should be distributed.
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Post by Harris (Braves) on Aug 18, 2011 23:33:29 GMT -5
My idea was only on the condition that the cap tiers would not be equalized.
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Post by Victor on Aug 19, 2011 15:52:46 GMT -5
I would vote for 115 or 120... but an even cap would level out a lot of salaries in future.
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Post by Matt S (Phillies) on Aug 19, 2011 17:33:08 GMT -5
I don't agree with lower the cap. It will absolutely distroy what I have built. I agree with the tags being change in the next couple years but I built a team that will all be signed for the next four five years and if the cap gets lowered it would screw everything up! Let's say it was lowered to like 130 like the mets GM wrote I would have to dump somewhere around 25 mil and it would kill my team. I feel raising the cap for lower teams a little would be good but lower the cap for the top tier teams would suck! Or you could also give the lower market teams one more draft pick then the tier one teams? Another thing instead of the three tier maybe just have two with tier one starting at 160 mil like it is now and the lower tier getting like 130 mil or so. There is such a big difference in the amount of cap space it will allow the lower tier teams more ability to sign free agents!
Example some teams let's say the pirates for example will have close to 30 or 40 mil in cap space if the cap space was like 130 mil for them to use on free agency. I only say the pirates because that is what team I am in another league.
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Post by Harris (Braves) on Aug 19, 2011 17:51:03 GMT -5
I don't agree with lower the cap. It will absolutely distroy what I have built. I agree with the tags being change in the next couple years but I built a team that will all be signed for the next four five years and if the cap gets lowered it would screw everything up! Let's say it was lowered to like 130 like the mets GM wrote I would have to dump somewhere around 25 mil and it would kill my team. I feel raising the cap for lower teams a little would be good but lower the cap for the top tier teams would suck! Or you could also give the lower market teams one more draft pick then the tier one teams? Another thing instead of the three tier maybe just have two with tier one starting at 160 mil like it is now and the lower tier getting like 130 mil or so. There is such a big difference in the amount of cap space it will allow the lower tier teams more ability to sign free agents! Example some teams let's say the pirates for example will have close to 30 or 40 mil in cap space if the cap space was like 130 mil for them to use on free agency. I only say the pirates because that is what team I am in another league. I'm pretty sure you would be able to deal Howard by the start of the 2013 season... you've had an unfair advantage to this point and the advantage should end here.
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Post by metsgl on Aug 19, 2011 17:51:17 GMT -5
I don't agree with lower the cap. It will absolutely distroy what I have built. I agree with the tags being change in the next couple years but I built a team that will all be signed for the next four five years and if the cap gets lowered it would screw everything up! Let's say it was lowered to like 130 like the mets GM wrote I would have to dump somewhere around 25 mil and it would kill my team. I feel raising the cap for lower teams a little would be good but lower the cap for the top tier teams would suck! Or you could also give the lower market teams one more draft pick then the tier one teams? Another thing instead of the three tier maybe just have two with tier one starting at 160 mil like it is now and the lower tier getting like 130 mil or so. There is such a big difference in the amount of cap space it will allow the lower tier teams more ability to sign free agents! Example some teams let's say the pirates for example will have close to 30 or 40 mil in cap space if the cap space was like 130 mil for them to use on free agency. I only say the pirates because that is what team I am in another league. I like the idea of giving an extra draft pick. How about we create an extra supplemental round for low tier teams.
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Post by Victor on Aug 19, 2011 18:38:00 GMT -5
Adding an extra pick isnt gonna compensate for some teams having an extra 50M avail for them to bid on... Brian has already stated the cap will come down for top teams and eventually an equal cap for all.. its not gonna happen next year.. but the lowering should probably start...
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Post by Matt S (Phillies) on Aug 19, 2011 23:27:45 GMT -5
That's right everyone should have the same cap number because that's how it is in the MLB. Thought this was supposed to be somewhat realistic? If an extra draft pick was added or an extra tag was added it would make more even then you think! But by telling the teams that have planned to have cap room of 160 that they gotta get to 130 is bs and is unfair if then you are telling the teams with a 90 mil payroll they can get to 130 mil. I am sure somebody prolly that owns a bay area team will complain about what I wrote but I have taken that into consideration and don't care!
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Post by Victor on Aug 20, 2011 0:32:26 GMT -5
You can cry all you want but this was the Commish's idea. So get your panties out of a wad. You arent gonna have to cut 30M in one season... next year.. you might need to cut 10M or 15M.. and and the lower tier might get only a 10M bump. Im not sure what he has in mind but I wasnt really in favor of it cus I knew most of the the higher tiered teams might whine about it. So take it up with the commish if you have a problem, because from what I was told it is gonna happen. How its gonna happen is what is under debate.
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Post by Victor on Sept 30, 2011 17:58:13 GMT -5
Can we please start working on this even cap number we are gonna work on. I think this may be an issue that will be up for much debate.
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